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Monday, July 02, 2007

What was with the real price tag for Eduardo da Silva?

Did Arsenal really pay 16.25m pounds for a virtually unknown quantity when your best player leaves for the same price? What is this? Other stories have suggested a price in the 6-8m pound range. I heard 5m early this morning. Dinamo Zagreb say that’s what the price was.

Why would Dinamo Zagreb lie about the price?

To understand this, I think you have to look at careful wording, Dinamo’s president said:

"I think the transfer is worth 24million euros (16.25m pounds) from the money Arsenal got after selling Henry to Barcelona."

First off, what does he mean think? You mean as club President, Mirko Marisic doesn’t know? That’s cute language. “I think” means there are clauses. “I think” means the transfer total could reach 16.25m pounds, but would take a Champions League crown for Arsenal, or a Premiership crown, or some exorbitant number of goals. “I think” means I want to impress the clubs supporters with big numbers.

The real cash transfer fee is probably in the range of 9m pounds. That’s a guess, but I think I am right. There is no way Wenger would have paid such a staggering sum for a virtual unknown. Wenger, known for his transfer frugality, did not just lose his mind. If Arsenal did in fact pay that price, they have in fact gone off the deep end.

You know what would make things simple? Cut this undisclosed fee garbage and just tell everyone what the fee was.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

agree - 16 mil would spark a riot

7/02/2007 10:13 PM  
Anonymous jammathon said...

Arsenal have no obligation to release their transfer fees, as they are not publicly listed. If it realy was 16mil, as reported here: http://tinyurl.com/2n3vey , then it would have been a club record fee, which would have been reported like Wiltord/Reyes was.

7/02/2007 10:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He probably meant 24 % (procentage) of the amount we got from le king ...

7/02/2007 10:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think the 6-8 mill mark sounds about right. that is the region arsenal paid for RVP also an unproven prospect. this is also the amount being leaked by club sources, not the 16 mill. the general consencus on that now is that it was a 'lost in translation' moment caused by uefa.com or a president appeasing his fans after selling their top goalscorer. he didnt have the 'liar' option that hill-wood had ;) all the best dudy

7/02/2007 10:25 PM  
Anonymous Mark said...

I agree that £16m would be a surprise, for all the reasons the article says. But I "think" that it reads too much into one translated word.

£6-8m feels about right for a very good player outside the 'top'/hyped leagues, so could be true. I assumed the President meant something like "He's worth EUR24m (and so Arsenal got a bargain)" ...[shrug] :)

And (as jammathon says) Arsenal has no obligation to disclose transfer fees. IIRC, Man Utd used to disclose them and said others should ...but they stopped doing so once they were no longer a plc.

7/02/2007 10:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look whatever we paid. he is pure avg. he has tons of goals in the crotian league. not even a mid-level league like the dutch or french.

he disappeared in the england game. did take his chance well but was missing the rest of the time.

if he is to replace henry then heaven help us.

7/02/2007 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look whatever we paid. he is pure avg. he has tons of goals in the crotian league. not even a mid-level league like the dutch or french.

he disappeared in the england game. did take his chance well but was missing the rest of the time.

if he is to replace henry then heaven help us.

7/02/2007 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nobody can replace the king henry just like nobody could replace vieira you cant replace talent like that and we all know wenger wont buy any big names. wenger knows what he is doin and we should trust him.
i just hope he buys another 3 players fw, winger and df and we will be in with a chance of silverware!!!

7/02/2007 10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RVP didn't cost 6-8, more like 3 i think

7/02/2007 10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look he is crap, he is rubbish, he is not Henry, I will boo him in him first game for Arsenal and will track down his closest livng relatives and make their lives hell. I will throw peanuts at Wenger in the dugout because that's all he ever spends. And then I will go off and support Chelsea, because I am sick and tired of Arsenal not bankrupting themselves every summer by signing six or seven footballers that I have heard of, which would give me (and I am a very sad and shallow person) lots of respect on the playground.

Or alternatively, I might just give him the chance of a few games, and love him from the outset because of the badge on his shirt and because he wants to wear that shirt....

7/02/2007 11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He didn't say 24 million euros - he said "I think" he's worth 24 million euros. I think I'm worth 24 million euros but Arsenal haven't paid that for me. He's not a replacement for Henry - Van Persie is seen as the long term replacement by the club for Henry. Whatever he's merits his international tally is very good - he didn't play that well and he scored against England.

7/02/2007 11:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He mentioned the transfer is worth 16 mil, so an assumption could be that that's how much we're paying for the transfer fee and wages combined - a transfer fee of 8 mil plus wages of 40,000 a week for 4 years.

7/02/2007 11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trust me he ain't crap!At 24 he isn't just potential. Ok he isn't proven, but neither was Mark Viduka when he signed for Celtic. He had a 1 in 2 record in Croatia, but he's turned out to be excellent for the teams he's played for. Former Arsenal striker Davor Suker also had a similar rate and went on to be successful at Sevilla and Real Madrid. Ok i admit, he is no Thierry Henry, but then again who is? I for one am in a way happy that we sold Henry now rather than later, because lets face it, he probably only has maximum 2 years left at the top level. He will slowly revert to a playmaking role, as he won't have the legs of Eto'o or Messi in a few years time. Henry didn't kno how to be a captain and was a discouraging presence for the youngsters. Under Gilberto, they listen and you can clearly see the guy is our new leader and expect Toure to be the clubs vice-captain.

Henry in his final season showed commitment, but is so absorbed in his ego that he thinks that every ball should go through. This is what mad us one-dimensional and more often too predictable.

Da Silva is something completely different. I watched him play against Arsenal at the Emirates and he was a constant threat. He is very direct and will just point and shoot at the goal.He is pretty quick as you have probably seen in the YouTube videos. The goal also shows he links up with his team mates really well. He's not gonna dribble past 3 or 4 players at a time, but will just belurking around the box. His movement is really great, because his positioning is unpredictable, which will make defenders quake in their boots. He has already been praised by many including Slaven Bilic and Guss Hiddink, because of his ruthlesess (one shot-one goal striker!). Just remember a fancy name doesn't guarantee success. Look at Shevchenko, Ballack, Veron, Cisse, Rebrov as some obvious examples. Hardly set the the Premiership alight.

They guy scored around 50 goals last season and two headers against England and Italy are just glimpses of his pedigree. Short striker he may be, but thats what we need. Not sure who exactly to compare him to but Inzaghi, Trezeguet, Romario, Ian Wright are poachers like Dudu is. I have a feeling that he will be tested in two positions. Both left Wing and as a striker. He has cost the club around £7m, but with the exits of Henry, Baptista, Aliadiere, Lupoli and Reyes, one replacement is surely not enough. I feel Bendtner is probably gonna cover the gap posed by Aliadiere and Lupoli, whereas Eduardo will Cover the Reyes/Baptista gap. Adebayor will be released for ANC,so this means that their is potentially 1 more attacking signing to be made, as well as a defensive one.

"One is an experienced striker, to shoulder some responsibility for the young squad Wenger is developing,the other a younger forward less well known in England." -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=463946&in_page_id=1779

Obviously Edouardo is the less known young one and more likely to be the risk of the two.

Signings thus far + potential
-Lukasz Fabianski (GK) - £2m
-Havard Nordveit (CD) - £2m
-Yago Fernandez (CD) - £100k
-Bakari Sagna (LB/CD/RB)- (cover for Eboue and Toure during African nations cup. - £6.5m?
-Eduardo Da Silva (LW/FW) - £7m

With the sale of Reyes probably at £7m. Your looking at around £28-30m
spending money from all the sales. Henry's transfer of £16m was straight cash. Wenger likes to balance the books by then end of the season or least have a final outlay of a few million.

- Expect the experienced striker that will cover Henrys postion to be Nicholas Anelka, which would make sense if we had £10-£12m left to play with.

7/03/2007 1:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everyones got a kind of chelsea attitude on like "SPEND ALL THE MONEY AND GET BANKRUPT OR WE WONT WINN!!"wel thats not how arsenal works.we just have to wait on wenger ,and even if he is staying at arsenal,to sign anymore players.
oh and by the way the price was 29p.unlike spurs who spend somfin like 9014389750783456million on a crap not experienced player. ha!

7/07/2007 11:49 PM  
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